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Embracing Vitality: Emma Louise Follows' Move from Law to Wellness |EP165
Episode 165
Ever found yourself stuck in the hamster wheel of life, always on the move but somehow feeling like you're going nowhere? Take a leaf out of Emma Louise Follows' book, a former lawyer turned medical herbalist who advocates for holistic health. We explore her fascinating journey from a high-stress legal career to the world of natural healing with Eat Live Wellness. Emma stresses the importance of detoxing safely, rebuilding gut health, and using medicinal herbs and nutrient-rich foods to achieve optimal well-being. Hear her personal experience of making health a priority amid the adrenaline-fueled rat race of entrepreneurship.
Discussions with Emma aren't just informative; they're transformational. Our chat delves deep into the vital link between success and stepping out of our comfort zone. This is about understanding that our internal health often gets overlooked in the pursuit of entrepreneurial dreams. Emma's philosophy isn't about losing pounds; it's about gaining a healthier, happier you. In addition, we dip our toes into the world of Ayurveda, the oldest healthcare system globally, and discuss how a holistic healing approach can contribute to robust health and a vibrant life.
Get ready to take notes as Emma offers practical tips and shares her FREE weekend detox guide and her go-to healthy snacks! We explore how the practices of Ayurveda can help manage stress, giving you the calm and balance to take on life's challenges head-on. Emma shares her understanding of our dosha profile, essential to maintaining a healthy balance.
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You're listening to the Mindset in Action podcast, bringing you the map to grow and streamline your business in 2023. I'm your host, dona Eade, your go-to gal for all things podcasting, planning and productivity And I'll be bringing you all that plus Mindset Goodness from experts with knowledge to share. Let's make 2023 the year of success in your business. Health is a state of body, wellness is a state of being. J Stamford On the show today, we have Emma Louise Follows and she helps people to get off the hamster wheel in their busy lives to detox safely and rebuild their gut health with medicinal herbs and the right foods. This is going to be a fantastic conversation, guys. It all starts with your gut. I truly believe that. So let's jump into today's show. Welcome back to the podcast, everybody. I am so excited to have you here today because I have another wonderful guest for you today and we are going to be talking about a really, really interesting topic. So welcome, emma Louise, to the podcast. I'm so glad to have you here.
Speaker 2:Oh, thanks, dona, i'm really glad to be here. I've been looking forward to this one.
Speaker 1:So we have actually been talking for a while now and Emma gave me one of her free health check calls, which was really, really interesting. So whenever she is next offering them, definitely jump on one. But we've been talking for a while and I was like I've got to have you on the podcast. So I'm super glad to be having this conversation with you today. So before we jump into the topic, can you tell everybody a little bit about who you are and what it is that you do?
Speaker 2:Yes, so my name is Emma Louise Follows. I run Eat Live Wellness, which is a business in Enfield. It's me and a couple of other people that I employ. It's basically a business that's all about gut health. I'm a medical herbalist, so my whole kind of ethos is natural healing, starting with the gut, and I draw on a lot of Ayurvedic wisdom Ayurveda being the system of Indian natural medicine and really kind of bringing the body back into balance. Then, more specifically, i offer products like raw ferments, kimchi, sauerkraut, that kind of thing for the gut. I also offer three day cleanse boxes where you have everything you need in the box for like a really thorough, like effective three day cleanse, and I also offer a deeper detox and gut reset program that I've worked with people over 12 weeks for and given all the products, and you just get a really you know you can imagine like a really good refresh and sort of healing experience with that program. So, yeah, so that's what I do And I love it.
Speaker 1:I love that. I love that And I would love it if you went a little bit into why you started it. because you have another career. that is a pretty badass career. And now you're doing this and it's like complete 360, well, no, 180, because 360 would take you back to where you belong, like I was never really good at my direction.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, tell us a little bit about how you got into the business, because I think I love listening to people's like what was I going to call it? An origin story, origin story? That's it, yeah, the origin of how you came to do what you do Me too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just nice, isn't it, to hear people's stories and you just get into it. So my experience, my journey, i suppose, was kind of started, i would say, when I was in my 20s. So I got into quite an intense career as a lawyer. So completely different to what I do now, you know, i didn't like emerge from uni like ready to come into healing when that, you know, like medical, herbalism or anything like that. I actually got a law degree. I was really excited to be a solicitor, trained, qualified, and I spent my 20s working in criminal defense law, which, as you can imagine, we're in the city as well. So, as you can imagine, it was pretty intense. I always joke that on my first day on the job I was sent to prison, literally. I was totally green.
Speaker 1:Right at the deep end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not even I hadn't even done law school at that point, because I was just straight from my law degree and I did the law school thing at the same time And, yeah, they sent me straight to prison. So I it was, you know, like a real culture shock. It was in and out of police stations, prisons Like this is what I wanted to do, like I wanted to represent people who didn't have a voice. I wanted to be in the criminal justice system. So it was very much like, you know, sort of a sort of passion of mine to do it. But it was difficult. It's even a passion, and you know I was because it was a small firm. You know there was no real, like I said, starting your slow. It was very much like within a short amount of time I was dealing with stuff like murders, for example, and really serious cases and having to represent and deal with the people who were accused of those kinds of things.
Speaker 2:I was in my 20s, i was young, i did love it.
Speaker 2:It was a lot of adrenaline, but you know I was running on adrenaline a lot of time. I'd often been in the police station like 2am in the morning, so it was. So there was a lot of stress, even though I was enjoying it And and then it got to a point where I wasn't really enjoying it anymore, just because the novelty of all the excitement you know, sort of started to wear off And then I was just in you know sort of peckham at 2am, sort of coming out of a police station trying to find a cat in my heels and my pencil scar Oh my Lord, i know, and at the time my only real interest in my body was being skinny because I was in my 20s. So fast forward to later 20s, you know, i make Craig my husband, my now husband, and we start, you know, kind of settling down and move to a slightly different karma area of law and have my children And then. So then I basically go from that kind of intensity into motherhood, which is its own own intensity for sure.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And and then what happened was, by the time I had my second little one, ethan and I because I breastfed both my my children, i was lucky enough to be able to do that. But what I didn't realize is that I was obviously feeding them on empty. I had spent like such a long time pushing myself, pushing my body, that by the time I'd done all that and then I'd given them so much and I hadn't really been taking care of myself, like in the background, i was obviously just giving from an empty tank.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And after about after about 18 months of feeding him, my health started to break down big time. I was chronically ill And it was just one condition, not even after another at the same time. Yeah, and a lot of my symptoms like some things, some of the things I was experiencing, like chronic eczema, you know, i at least don't know what that was, even though it was, you know, sort of awful and uncomfortable. But a lot of my symptoms were unexplained, like I'd wake up with really bad nervous system and symptoms like pins and needles through my body, you know recurrent boils, so many different things. And the doctors weren't really much help. So I was going back and forth from my GP, i was getting antibiotics after antibiotics, steroid creams, and after my fourth course of consecutive antibiotics, i thought you know what this is clearly not helping long term. I need to take matters into my own hands. And that's when I started researching. You know sort of what is the immune system Like? oh, it's in the gut, like. So what can we do about that? What about, like, how does the body detox? you know that kind of thing. So I got into kimchi and you know gut healing products and that kind of thing, gut healing food.
Speaker 2:I got into Ayurveda because that's the Indian system that I just felt drawn to, because it felt very intuitive, and then I started healing myself within such a quick space of time, like just by doing these things for myself, just by sort of making these foods and, and you know, supporting my body's natural detox pathways and following these Ayurvedic principles, that I thought, wow, like you know, like I can't just leave it there, like when you have a transformation like that, you just can't shut up about it. So that's when I decided to set up a farmers market stool, like literally just selling the things I was making, like kimchi and sauerkraut, making it available to other people and just sharing the facts that look like I started healing from these, all these things within weeks. Like you know, give it a go, and that's pretty much where the you know, that's how the business was born. It was just very organic, you know, just through that desire to share something that had helped me. So, yeah, that's what I do now. Thank you, i love that. I love that.
Speaker 1:That's so good. That's so good. And I think one of the things that is really good when you're a business owner is that the business very often comes from something like that is something that you have done that suddenly becomes something that you're really passionate about and you want to share it with the world. So for me, it's podcasting. Absolutely love podcasting, talk about it all day long, happy to teach people how to do it. For you it was a health thing. That sort of pulled you down a path and you were like I'm going for this, and I think a lot of people in business find their way that way And it's so much nicer than I think.
Speaker 1:The day job route, where you just kind of like what job can I get? Okay, now I'm doing this. And there's like nothing behind it a lot of the time, especially in today's society where jobs are few and far between and applications are A billion for each job, that's going like I see on LinkedIn all the time when jobs will come up in the corner and it's like apply for this job, you meet the criteria, there's a hundred and thirty six applications. I'm like why am I gonna bother?
Speaker 1:Yeah, seriously, now I have heard rumors that that's not quite accurate. what's on there, but it's still. you still hear it a lot and a lot of people just out there Literally thrown spaghetti at the wall to get themselves a job that will bring them an income and I think for business owners, we're actually in a really lucky position to be able to Find something that we love and to make make it a business that can pay us money. it's magic, isn't it magic?
Speaker 2:It really is, yeah yeah, it's quite amazing.
Speaker 1:So today we're gonna be talking about gut health, which you've touched on in your intro there, because I think it is something that Is becoming more of a hot topic. For sure, but definitely as business owners, we tend to be In the rat race of our own business. You know, we would want to get out one rat race and we've come into another way, doing long hours to get business off the ground. You know, we're trying to balance the business, the children, the family, the friends and all of that jazz, and I think often times, whether you are male or female, you kind of come at the bottom of that pecking order list when you're running a business, because the I hear people all the time say my business is my baby And I heard somebody say you shouldn't say that really because you.
Speaker 1:When you think of a baby, you think of something that's helpless And can't survive without you, and so you're programming yourself to believe that your business cannot survive without you. Then how are you supposed to bring on a team that can take that away, so that you can step away and really have a break from your business, because you've Babified it and I was just like, wow, i never thought that's so true, isn't it?
Speaker 2:you basically, you basically just creating another load of mum guilt, so we don't have it already and we don't need to Exactly. That's so interesting.
Speaker 1:I know, i know, i thought about it and I thought, yeah, i'm never going to call my business my baby.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if I don't know, if I have, but I could definitely. I definitely know people who say that. So, oh my God, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I want to avoid for sure. So as business owners I like to say we often are prioritising our work over our health. So I wanted you to sort of touch on how our health significantly our gut health can impact our productivity and our ability to to be good in the business that we're doing.
Speaker 2:So I think this is such an important point, something that business owners don't necessarily consider. You know it's just go go, go, go go, but I mean in terms of gut health. Gut health basically is our health as far as I'm concerned, because the vast majority of our immune system we know around 70% is in our gut. So and what that actually means is that our probiotic colon is so our good bacteria, which is situated in our gut, is what's fighting off the bad bacteria that causes us to be ill. So bad bacteria is behind you know sort of a lot of the illness that we would get. So not only do we need, you know sort of our gut health to be strong for our immune system and work, but also we know from science now that there's a gut brain connection. So literally like what's going on in your gut, your microbiome, and the health of your microbiome affects your mood, like and not in just a sort of vague way, but like in a really measurable way. They've done loads of studies now to show that like it could even be the difference between like your gut health could make the difference between you being suicidal and being Yeah, and just like being fine and happy. It's that persuasive the evidence, so vital basically that we are. You know we take care about guts, that we take care of our health generally And I think, especially for business owners, because I've also had, you know, sort of nine to five job in the past.
Speaker 2:They still do legal work one day a week to keep my hand in there and I actually advise other businesses, like on legal small businesses, on legal matters. So I'm very much like still in that world and I can know. Yeah, you can kind of see the comparison and what I find with my business is my health is actually more important in terms of me being an entrepreneur, because and I know you'll relate to this as well, don't know But like my, with my business I is directly correlated, like the success of my business is directly correlated with how much I push myself out of my comfort zone. Now, in my nine to five, like being a lawyer, i can just go into the office, do the specific things that I've been asked to do by my corporate. Yeah, i quite enjoy that job, it's like not a hodgepodge at all, and then I switch off at five and that's it, like it doesn't take that much out of me, to be honest. I quite enjoy it, but it doesn't.
Speaker 2:Whereas with my business because it's because it's us you know, when you're an entrepreneur, you, you're literally driving this thing forward. If you don't, if you're not, you know, sort of making something happen, even if you're delegating, you're still leading it, you're still the visionary. Yeah, if you're not driving it forward, then nothing's happening, essentially because it's your, you know, because it's your business. So, in terms of, i always have something on my calendar that scares me, something that's pushes me out of my comfort zone, but that is impossible if I'm not feeling well, like how can?
Speaker 2:you can't expect to be that kind of person who's driven, who's out of their comfort zone, who's doing something new, that's you know. You know whether it's going live, for example, or hosting a masterclass or just something, or getting up on the stage. You, like you, can't do that. You can't expect yourself to play at that level unless you're also feeling really well. So good health is like a means to an end, for you know, as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to being an entrepreneur, yeah, I think you're so right and it's one of those things that I have really been focusing on the last couple of years is my health.
Speaker 1:I have had a weight issue, mental or otherwise, since I was 11 years old, like I've constantly been on diets. I want to lose weight, i want to be skinny, blah, blah, blah and that has followed me my entire life up until about two years ago and I started working with a health coach and we kind of analyzing this like what is my end goal? and the end goal for me was that I wanted to be around for a long time, i wanted to look after myself as much as possible, i didn't want to drop down from a heart attack at some point. Like I want to make sure that what I'm like, that the inside of me, is the most highly functioning version of itself. That it can be, yeah, and it's so hard because you can't see it. Like you know people people know that they shouldn't smoke Yeah, but they still do. But if their lungs were on the outside of their body, yeah, they still be doing because they can't see the effects.
Speaker 1:And even if they've got a cough or something, it's just like oh, it's not all the time, it doesn't bother me, like it just becomes a habit, almost as well as the smoking. So it's so hard for us to sort of see that internal thing. So where we're talking about gut health here like nobody can see inside their tummy They don't know what's going on in there It's like it's really hard for us to kind of put the importance on it. But the last two years for me have been like put your health first. It's not about losing weight, it's about looking after yourself as well as possible.
Speaker 1:And if you're looking after yourself as well as possible, your body will find its natural situation. And if that's heavier than I want it to be, then so be it, because I want to be being healthy And it's been hard And it still is an ongoing thing. I spent like 30 years wanting to be a size 10. So it's not an overnight change, but it's something that I'm always working on. So I think that I completely agree with you that it's so important to kind of look at the health of yourself, because it affects everything, not just your business, but it affects your relationship If you're feeling really cr.
Speaker 1:Classic example me and my other half are looking to go away in three weeks' time. We haven't booked anything, but he's had to cram in his holiday. So we're just like, ok, let's try and go away for three days. And on Monday night I was like, ok, let's sit down, let's go on bookingcom, let's see if we can find a beach somewhere in a hotel and see what's what. And I wanted him to sit down and do it with me.
Speaker 1:And he's been suffering bless him with hay fever. And he was just like I don't even know if it's hay fever right now, it's like this cough. And I was like go and take a COVID test right now, which he did, and it was clear. But he was just like, oh, and he was just looking at me And his eyes looked sore and swollen And he was just like I can't focus, i can't, and he couldn't do it. So he got grumpy with me And I kind of got annoyed at him Because I wanted to get it booked And he's not feeling well enough to kind of sit there and do it And that's all his health. So you can imagine he's not going to have been that great at work with his colleagues. He might have been a bit snappy and stuff, because you do get that way if you don't feel good in yourself. So it's so important.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're not feeling well, you're just dragging yourself through life. And what way is that to live? I run a workshop every now and then And I always put in this slide And it's of me and the two little ones, jessica and Ethan, and Craig's taking a picture. And we're in California, like in the mountains, beautiful Yes, gorgeous In one of their national parks actually. And it's like on this two month house book that we did in California And I always put it in to illustrate Because that was on the other side of my health journey, when I was feeling better, and I always like to make the point that it isn't like no one really cares about the health for the sake of the health.
Speaker 2:You care about the health because then you can live the way that you want to. So at the beginning of my health journey, when I was really ill, i couldn't have thought about organizing a two month house swap. I just trying to get through the day and work out when I could next take a nap. I was just dragging myself through the day, just trying to do the necessities, the essential stuff, feed the kids, basically, and try and maybe even have a half decent conversation with Craig when he got home. But when you have your health and you have your energy, then your real desires, from the essence of you, like oh my god, i really want to go on that holiday, like you were feeling, like, oh, i really want to do this. Let me phone up this person and we'll organize such and such. That's where you can really live, isn't?
Speaker 1:it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why we need our help so that we can enjoy our lives.
Speaker 1:For sure, for sure, right before I get into my next question, you're going to need to explain a little bit more about Iovada and what it is Kind of give us like for people who have never heard of it before. Can you give us kind of a little explanation to sort of place it for us? Yes, of course.
Speaker 2:So Iovada is basically the world's oldest health, that like written down health care system. So I say written down because it's the beginning of humans being around. I'm sure we've been healing each other and healing ourselves with plants and herbs and stuff, but in terms of a documented health care system, iovada is actually the oldest one. Yeah, and a lot of the other health care systems, like TCM, traditional Chinese medicine, are based on Iovada And basically it works in the sense that it looks at us as holistic beings. So, whereas we would go to a Western doctor and then they just look at the body part that's causing the issue and try and fix that Like. And if you go to an Iovadic doctor, you'd be asked well, how have you been feeling like within yourself, for example? you would like every part of your body and your life would be sort of Examined Examined, yeah, to find out where you're out of balance. Because the whole idea is that we're all based, and everything around us is based on elements, so and made up of elements. So you know, we have the water element, which and the earth element, which is present in what we call the carphadocia, so that's like a carphatype, and then we have pitta, which is like the fire element with, and it also has water in there, and then we have water, which is the air and space element. So everything like not just us, but even nature, for example is made up of these elements.
Speaker 2:And what we're trying to do with Iovada, the whole kind of point, is that we're trying to get ourselves back into balance. So if we're experiencing anything negative whether it's weight, excess weight, for example or whether it's headaches, or whether it's something like anxiety and stress and something that's not tangible, it's all just an imbalance. It's all just symptoms of the fact that we're out of balance. So we're just looking to bring ourselves back into what is balanced for us. Basically, what kind of doscik profile did we come in with? Let's try and get back to that. So it's very holistic And, by the way, if anyone's interested, i have a doscik quiz that I've made myself on my website And it's just a couple of minutes. People can take that to find out what they might be Yes, I took it.
Speaker 2:I took it, you did, didn't you.
Speaker 1:What did you get again, donna? I got kafa, which makes me I don't particularly like that way. It makes me feel like I'm a fat cow. So I feel like that's what it brings up.
Speaker 2:That's the image it brings up. I'm just like I'm great. Because they're called calves, aren't they Baby cows? I'm just like, I'm just a baby cow laying in a field It's not based on the English word for calf.
Speaker 2:I think you do a lot of work at home. It makes sense that you would get that doscik, because kafa is very earthy. They're very organized, they're very looking after everything. But I think so I wouldn't be surprised if you've got a lot of kafa energy going on at the moment. When people are mums as well, they often get kafa, because this is another thing. Your doscik profile changes throughout your life. I would say. Naturally, i'm pretty sure you'd have a lot of pitta energy, which is the fire energy, because that's definitely what I get when I speak to you.
Speaker 1:I love that, i love that, i prefer that, you see, but the thing is, is that, again, that makes me think of pitta bread And I'm just like now, i'm a loaf of bread. We need to change the words for you, yeah, yeah, we just need to think of new words. If we could just go back a few hundred years and just change the whole thing, that'd be great, ok, anyway.
Speaker 1:Ok, so now we know a little bit about what Ayurveda is. I know that it places a strong emphasis on maintaining that healthy digestive system. That's part of what you do. So, with business owners running around doing all of this stuff here, there and everywhere, not not having lunch, not having dinner, like you'd back the coffees, you know, like to chug him back the coffees for you guys on the on the podcast, no idea what I was motioning there. What? what can we do? How can we improve our gut health? What are some things that we can do that are going to help to make a difference?
Speaker 2:Yes, actually I'm going to go a little bit left field, because, since she mentioned coffee, and it is such a thing, isn't it in our culture to sort of you know, become a bit of a coffee culture.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly Every other meme is about. you know coffee, but first coffee and all that. So instead of having like normal coffee throughout the day, a nice little change would be to have something like mushroom coffee. Now, it sounds like a bit weird, but actually there's a really lovely brand called Forcichmastic. really, really goody for set like really, really well sauce tested for mold and toxins and that kind of thing. And it's not just made with, like basic supermarket mushrooms, it's made with medicinal mushrooms and not magic mushrooms either.
Speaker 1:It's not like kind of podcast, yeah, but what?
Speaker 2:but what you'll find in there is it's half the strength of normal coffee. So there's half. So it is half, you know, sort of organic coffee. But the rest of it, the rest of the kind of buzz that you get from this coffee, is from mushrooms like Rashi, lion's Mane, cordyceps, and what they do is they particularly something like Lion's Mane. It's really good for energy and it's good for focus and it's good for kind of giving you that sort of natural stimulation, but in a healthy way, unlike coffee, which is fine for some of the dosas but can be a bit, can sort of take its toll because it's quite strong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all of those mushrooms are also really supportive of gut health as well. So I always think you know, like when you're making healthy changes, like if you can start early in the day, you just get things off to a good start. So that's one kind of swap that you could, you know, sort of do at breakfast time, like swap your normal coffee for a mushroom coffee and go for the forced ligmatic brand. Another change, or bring in maybe at lunchtime, is to bring in some fermented food with your lunchtime meal and this will just give your gut like a really strong source of probiotics, because and it's actually better often than taking a probiotic capsule, because food is actually a better vehicle for, you know, probiotic cultures, you know so better than like a sterile capsule So you could bring in.
Speaker 2:So, for instance, i make stuff like kimchi and sauerkraut so long as you could, you know, sort of check mine out or you could actually just make your own, because it's really easy to do and I have lots of like workshops and like follow along videos on my Instagram. But the main thing is that you make sure that whatever you get or make is unpasteurized, because then the cultures from that natural fermentation are still there and they're going to repopulate your gut over time and really strengthen your immune system and and you'll notice just within a few days, like if you have any digestive issues, often that makes a really big difference. You know, starting to have just a little bit of kimchi or sauerkraut with a main meal Love that, yeah.
Speaker 1:Not sure I do. I'm not a fan of coffee, i'm not a coffee, i'm a tea girl. Yes, and in this weather, you know what? I've had one cup of tea today. This is unheard of, like anybody who knows me well like I'm like 12 cups of tea a day And you have quite big cups as well. I have big cups, yeah, i do, i'm not none of this tea cup stuff. Like no, give me a mug, proper mug. And yeah, 12 cups a day. And I've like weaned myself back. Like I was talking to you the other week that I got my habits tracker that I was doing and I put on there that I would only have up to eight cups a day and I managed to like cut myself back to eight cups. And I do go decaf from like between two and three o'clock, whatever around there, i will go to decaf, yeah, but yeah, i don't like coffee. But today I have had one cup of tea, yeah, And I've just been on the old ball.
Speaker 2:That's amazing. it is extremely hot, isn't it? You having to like not have it because it's been so hot might actually wean you off, so maybe, yeah, you'll cut it down even more.
Speaker 1:No, it only works for the summer. As soon as the weather starts turning again, i want and what I was going to say is that I have had my what is it? the herbal tea. So I've got a strawberry and raspberry tea. Yeah, that's I've been having instead of my normal tea.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because it's it's not got the milk in it. Yeah, i'm just like it's the milk. It's too warm for milky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anything, yeah, so and.
Speaker 1:I don't have milky, milky tea, but yeah, i do have a good dollop in there so I was just like no, i need. So I've been having my herbal tea, so my tea is going right down, and today I couldn't even do a herbal one. I was just like I had my morning cup and I was just like I'm done with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, i love it.
Speaker 2:It's so funny, you know what's on there. Since you said that, because you're not like, particularly because you're not a coffee drinker, i just throw in one other tip for gut health, because this might be even sort of more actionable for people who might not want to like rush out and get some kimchi, for example. So what I would say is not including a lot more green vegetables in your diet, but just make sure they're properly cooked so you don't want to be like you know, suddenly starting to blend up like loads of raw kale, for example, because that's actually going to be hard to digest. But if, even if you know, you could get lots of broccoli, for example, like steamed olive oil, yes, garlic, for example, oh perfect, yeah, honestly, if you could just do one thing like you know steaming some broccoli, serving it with like olive oil and some sort of garlic, for example, it would be amazing. Because what you're doing there with the green vegetables is they're very supportive of the liver. So because they're bitters like anything green tends to be because bitter and quite regenerating for the liver And it's also a prebiotic.
Speaker 2:So, even though you're not bringing in probiotics like extra probiotic colonies, what you're doing is the prebiotics mean food for the probiotics. So you're essentially feeding your existing probiotic colonies, and actually it looks like from current research that actually might be just as beneficial as bringing in new probiotics, just supporting the ones that you've already got. Any kind of vegetables are usually a prebiotic, and garlic is a really good prebiotic as well, and it has like a whole host of other sort of antiviral, antibacterial benefits. So so, yeah, i would just say you know, go for lots of green veg, chuck some garlic in there, and you know that's going to really do wonders as well.
Speaker 1:Love that. Okay, there's your tips, guys. There's your tips. Okay, next up. So we're going to talk a little bit about stress now, because it is a prevalent issue and it can have a significant impact on our health, as you have attested to in your story. So how can the Iovated detox techniques because you talked a bit about detox and we're going to got a freebie that we're going to talk about in a little bit How can those techniques and practices help us to manage our stress effectively?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the lovely thing about Iovated is you can't really practice Iovated without addressing stress, because like the whole point of it is to bring yourself back into balance like mind, body and spirit. So like the whole ethos is, like you know, is going to address stress. Wove into it are like some really lovely rituals that will do just that. So, for example, in Iovated we have a dener chariote, which kind of loosely means your daily routine, like your, like what you do every day, like your daily self care rituals. So if you practice Iovated you'll have some kind of dener chariote, like some kind of self care rituals through the day and you don't have to be like really strict about this. It's not like one of those American podcasts, like you know miracle morning do this, this, this and that.
Speaker 2:It's much more gentle and it's much like you know, more like looking at your dosha and what fits into your life, but like one of the sort of main things on a dener chariote would be to incorporate some meditation, for example, in your routine. So even if it's just five or ten minutes Breathing, sort of smooth breathing, you know, maybe like four counts in holding for four counts, out for four counts, you know, with your hand on your heart, for example, just some kind of stillness practice is like is really recommended in Iovated just to Again like sort of calm the mind down and to kind of get into the spirit first thing in the morning. So even if it's just a case of sitting up in bed, putting your hand on your heart, doing that like conscious breathing, for example, when you're doing it, just bringing to mind like a heart opening memory this is my favorite like meditation, i do it like every single day and if I'm getting a bit stressed, yeah, i'll literally just, you know, even if I'm out or go to the loon, do this. So a heart opening memory, for example, could be. For me it was like, you know, when I was holding one of my children as a baby and like feeding them, or could be stroking a pet or anything that kind of, or just being in nature, you know, anything that kind of evokes that like Feeling.
Speaker 2:So if, once you're to, when you're doing the breathing you bring to mind and you just kind of relive that in your mind with your eyes closed, your brain can't tell the difference between whether it's actually happening or not. So all the same feelings and chemicals that are released in those relaxing experiences will be released again in your body, and what it does is it puts your heart and your brain into a state of coherence, which is the optimal healing state. And this is when, without even doing anything else medication, her, like your body will actually start to heal itself of its own accord Because it has its own natural healing mechanisms, without you even needing to do anything else. So if you could start your day with like a few minutes of that, like that just sets you up for the best day, it's really lovely and it's very I evaded because, well, Oh, i love that.
Speaker 1:I love that I do do, and I didn't do it this morning because I didn't have time. I got completely distracted by LinkedIn. That's another story, but I didn't get to do my meditation this morning. So I'm actually going to do it when we get off this podcast, because I do. It's not like a proper meditation. It's the Daily J, which is Jay Shetty, and I love listening to him and his little daily tips of wisdom, and then he usually does he ends with like a three minute breathwork type thing And I love doing that. So I do that every day.
Speaker 1:But also in the car map and you know, hashtag, not sponsored, but I love the car map. It has this thing. And when you were saying about the breathing, it made me think of it. It was like literally a thing in there, a program in there that you can tap on And it will literally just play like this ring noise, where it will ring out sort of get louder And then it will get quieter And there's actually a visual as well When it tells you to breathe in and then breathe out. Yeah, so you can actually do something like that if you're like get distracted easily.
Speaker 2:It's really good You can look at your phone and just breathe with that thing.
Speaker 1:So I love that And I will do that occasionally when, when I remember, like I get the car map to kind of notify me at lunchtime to do something And if I've got time I will hop in there and just do a just, even if it's one minute of just breathing, because again, it's something that's so, so simple.
Speaker 1:But so many of us don't breathe properly Because we're living in this stressed state and we're shallow breathing all the time and just taking that time to do some deep breathing where we're actually really taking in. And I think when you're deep breathing it's really easy to kind of focus on your breath, because it's kind of hard not to when you're taking in a deep breath. So it kind of just focuses you for that little bit of time. And here in the benefits, what you're saying there, with that kind of action, with pairing it with a really lovely memory, just sounds like a lovely way to start the day. Now I have to say I do have issues with starting the day like that because there are other people in my house and other people are noisy. Yes, and you know the number of times I've had to stop Jay because Matthew comes in the bedroom and he switched on the hairdryer to blow dry his hair before he goes to work.
Speaker 2:I'm just like this is why I now go into the garden. I love it.
Speaker 1:And that's okay in the summer. Whether we've got right now is perfect for garden meditation.
Speaker 2:You know what, donna, i would say? this is one other tip. Like, i know it doesn't sound very appealing when it isn't summer, but I was actually wrapping up and going out even when it was cold, because, yeah, it's. it's another little health hack, i suppose. But if you can get out, like into natural light, like before you look at your screen, or anything like as early as possible, that actually achieved your circadian rhythms to nature, which then has the knock on effect of being really good for your sleep, because what you're basically saying to your body is it's the morning, like we're starting our morning. So then, by the time you get to the end of your day, your body knows it's time to switch off And it's really correlated with, like you, being able to sleep more deeply.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, this isn't. I think this is going to become like quite a thing that people do like start doing more often, like over. I think it's because the research is really there. So, yeah, so, while it's hot, you might as well make the most of it and see if you can flip out.
Speaker 1:I am very lucky in the fact that the sun rises into my bedroom window, so I will actually go over to my bedroom window, open my window, just stick my head out the window to get my vitamin D in the morning, because we've spoken about my lack of vitamin D And I'm actually I'm doing this vitamin D and K drop that you sort of said about. I really like the taste. It's weird, but it's weirdly nice.
Speaker 2:I like it.
Speaker 1:I'm starting and it's almost like I've now programmed myself to that taste. But when I start preparing my breakfast in the morning because what I do is I have my granola and I have my Greek yogurt I put I just drop a drop on the end of my Greek yogurt because I can't drop it into my mouth from the dropper. I'm like literally going to hit my chin. Like you can't see where you're dropping it.
Speaker 1:So I just drop it onto my Greek yogurt spoon and just take it that way And I'm just like it's a really bizarre taste, but I actually quite like it And it I now can taste it before I've actually tasted it, because I've set up this little routine.
Speaker 2:Yes, your brain knows what's to it. Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah, so I do, i stick my head out the window sometimes, but before, yeah, before I get to work, i go outside and I've got a koi pond in my garden. I love my pond And I go out and I feed my fish And so I do get fresh air and that light, it's not like first thing, but it is like before I come and sit down to my computer to work.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I do love that, yeah, and just sticking your head out the window same thing, because you're still getting that light, and I don't mind doing that when it's cold so much because it's only the wind down, because shut it.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, such a good conversation. Thank you so much, Emma. It's so fun to have you on the show and to talk about this, because I know that you know, on this podcast we're talking about planning, we're talking about productivity, we're talking about audience building and we're talking about mindset. And you might think, well, where does this fit into that, Donna? But for me, you know, your health is the core of everything And if you haven't got your health, you're in big trouble.
Speaker 1:Like you can't mindset over health issue. You have to get your health right first, And then that helps you to be able to get your mindset in the right place. Like if you feel good internally, it's a lot easier to think positively and like put out that positive affirmation into the world and make it happen. If you are, you know, feeling sluggish, if you're lethargic, if your energy is completely sapped, if you know when you finish work, all you want to do is go to bed, like that, no amount of positive affirmation is going to get you over that. There's something internal that you need to sort out beforehand. So I think it was a really, really important conversation. So I really appreciate you coming on and talking to us about it. So, before we finish off, you have got a free weekend. Gut detox, Tell us about that and tell us where we can grab it.
Speaker 2:Yes, So it is on my website and the homepage of my website And I think it's a really nice one to do for people who are looking to get started. So if you are feeling a bit sluggish, you know a bit like run down and low energy, and you're just like I need something, but you just want it to be easy, you can download this and it's just a guide as to like basically how you can kind of create your own like weekend, almost like a mini detox, and you can just kind of devote a weekend to it, but you don't need to like clear your calendar. It's very much like here is some simple, you know recipes, simple things that you can do And you're just going to feel so much more refreshed after the weekend. So, absolutely free, and it's on my website at eatlifewellnesscom sorry, dot co dot UK And you can download it there, fabulous.
Speaker 1:I will link it in the show notes, guys, so you can head over to the show notes and download it. Where can people find you on the internet? Where do you like to hang out most? Debra Louise Instagram. It's my place to.
Speaker 2:It's my place to Fabulous And only the only social media I do regularly and I do love it, yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, awesome. So, guys, do show your love for Emma Louise over on Instagram. What's your Instagram handle? And it's eat underscore, live underscore wellness, fabulous. So I will link that in the show notes too. Do tag us both on social media. There's my computer just interrupting me. Do tag us both on social media and let us know what your biggest takeaway was from this episode. I will leave that link to that weekend detox so you can go ahead and do that as well. But before we disappear, i do have my quick fire round where we get to know a little bit more about you with my three questions, which I am always fascinated to know the answers, because they are always very different for everybody, so I'm interested to see what your answers are. So, if you are okay with it, emma, i've got three little questions that I like to ask. Yes, of course, okay. So what is the book that has made the biggest impact on your life so far?
Speaker 2:Okay, So the first one that springs to mind is amazing book called Loving What Is, by an author called Byron Casey. Wow Yeah, so a lot of people know, like Eckhart Tolley, like you know, the meditation guru Byron Casey feels like the female version for me And she has this like whole enlightenment experience, very like sudden. And then she developed this thought process called the work, and it's essentially like the original limiting belief works. So every time you have a stressful thought, you know whether it's like oh, you're overwhelmed. Or you know you feel like I don't know, like someone's leaving you out. You know like it can literally be anything. You know or you feel like you're too big, for example, like any stressful belief she says is not true And you can. And if you inquire using this particular like thought work process, she does it just kind of sets you free And you end up like it's amazing, you end up just laughing about the thing that was causing you all this stress and misery.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love the sound of that. It's so good. Yeah, so her worksheets, like. So the book is all about that, but she has. She does the free worksheets, like on her website, so I can give you the details. if you want to put that in the show, yeah, put it in the show. Yeah, and she does the work with people on YouTube, So it's nice to watch a few videos and just get the feel of how she does it and how it works, and it's honestly the best thing I've ever done. So and, yeah, it's like saved my life again and again.
Speaker 1:I think it's so good And it's so true. I had somebody else turn around and say to me that sort of thing, like well, this, like I'm saying something as if it's fact, and they turn around and said, but is that true? And I had to think about it And I was just like, maybe not. Yeah, that's my one, katie.
Speaker 2:That's literally her process. She starts with the question is it true, Can you absolutely know it's true? And then she goes through a few other. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are you going too far down that rabbit hole? and you're like, what is true, that does happen.
Speaker 2:You can get very heavy on that. Yeah, oh dear.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, moving on from that, before we get too deep, yeah, before we get too enlightened. What would be your favourite go-to snack if you are in a hurry? and very interesting to hear from you what your answer would be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so my favourite snack. I don't know why I'm laughing, but maybe because it sounds boring, but this is genuinely like what I eat all the time, often for breakfast as well. I can't be bothered to like do anything, so I really like activated nuts and seeds. It's a really nice brand on Amazon called Boundless, with really lovely flavours. But the main thing is, and why they're called activated is because they are soaked in like salty water overnight and then baked at a really, really low temperature, and what that does is because we all know nuts and seeds are healthy, like you know, sort of on paper. Yeah, actually, when you eat them in their natural state, you don't really absorb the nutrition, because the whole sort of structure of nuts and seeds is that they're designed to kind of protect what's in them, the inside.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they're also full of like things to stop people eating them because they have their own survival mechanism, like phyto-cacid. So actually they're not. Nuts and seeds in their natural state aren't as healthy as we think, but if you soak them and activate them, you get all the goodness and just amazing and they taste better as well And they're just an amazing source of omega oils and protein and great for the brain as well. So that's my favourite On the go snack.
Speaker 1:I would have expected nothing less from you than something so fancy. Love it. You'll have to send us the link for that, the brand that you use as well, because I have, like, i bought my. I was so funny, emma, honestly, we had our discussion. Guys and I went and bought some flaxseeds and some chia seeds. So I'd been eating chia seeds already and I quite liked them.
Speaker 1:I told my health coach that they turned into frog spawn in my Greek yogurt. I thought it was really weird. That's how it could be. Weird how I just turned the other way. I'm a cow, i'm a loaf of bread, frog spawn in my breakfast. And we spoke about flaxseeds and I said I got the milled version, but the milled version didn't work well in my granola. And you said just buy some regular. And I bought some and I thought they were going to come. Like 500g packets is what I got pictured in my head when I ordered them And I've got like a kilo, such a big bag, and I'm just like, oh my God. But my problem is is, like you say, they are in their natural form. So I needed to soak them and remembering to do that the night before is pain in the bum.
Speaker 1:So, if there's something that's already out there that's done for you. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because even though. I'm always, you know, sort of talking about this stuff, like, honestly, I'm not massive on cooking and like being in the kitchen like it's a means to an end for me. So if, honestly, if I can get it done properly for me, I'll buy it every time. Only started making all my stuff because I couldn't find the quality and like what I wanted.
Speaker 1:So yeah, And that's another thing that I actually really love about you and your business is how you're always sort of thinking of the ethical stakes and the cleanness of the products and where they're coming from, and you know all of that does, And I really appreciate that because I think a lot of people are moving now towards you know how can I make the least impact on the world? You know what can I do? Where are these things coming from? We're more interested in knowing the origins of where things are coming from and just knowing what we are put inside our bodies as well. So I really appreciate your ethos around that. So last question, before we go, what is your ultimate me time thing to do?
Speaker 2:Okay, So very boring, very much an introvert answer, but I love nothing more than sitting in a coffee shop and I have a favorite one in Enfield where there's like a bench and then it's windows. So I'm literally just like looking at people walking past and I'll have my headphones in with a podcast like this one and I'll just be there with you know, an Oat Cappuccino or something. Just like watching people walk past and listening to a podcast all by myself And that's like my edge of heaven, Just like why are you? and rejuvenate, Yeah, that's reducing me.
Speaker 1:I'm there, i'm there, i'm there. I'll sit on the other bench, so you can be alone because I love to.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:But lo and behold, if you walk in there and somebody sat on your bench like you know, wouldn't that be like?
Speaker 2:it is, it's like really universe.
Speaker 1:Get out, put my name on it. I wrote my name on it a long time ago. My bench Love it, oh awesome. Thank you so much for answering those questions. I just love a little bit, of a little bit of fun at the end, and it's always our opening as well to sort of hear from other people, because sometimes we don't think about these things ourselves, so I think it prompts other people to think, oh, what do I actually like to do? So I love to do those questions.
Speaker 1:So, thank you so much for your time, Emma Louise. I really appreciate you coming on the show today. It's been fantastic.
Speaker 2:Oh, thanks so much, donna. I've really enjoyed our chat. I knew it was going to be a fun one, and it definitely was It really was.
Speaker 1:Guys, you can go and follow Emma Louise on her Instagram. I will leave the links all in the show notes. Please do go head over and let us know what your biggest takeaway was. Tag us both. You know I'm Donna underscore, Ead underscore on Instagram. Tag us both. I'll see you in the next one.
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